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Post by latyrx7 on Mar 29, 2005 11:40:21 GMT -5
[glow=blue,2,000]While TFs are basicly robots, one might think that they can be programed with a purpose and a personality. However TFs are alittle different then regular robots.
While they are actually alive with there own personalities and a soul/spark, it seems to me IMO that it has very little to do with actually programing in the sence of how you would program a computer. I guess there persona actually over rides there programing once ego and emotion is involved, making them more of a individual.
I mean if they could recieve a download that made them a warrior, wouldn't the autobots and decepticons be on more even grounds? I guess I can't really say that since the autobots win most of the time and are suppose to be the lesser warrior. But you could upload in to there brains certain things like functions, mermories, etc... you could erase a warriors function and make him a medic.
I see it as a way to make the TFs more human like, more of an actually race of beings rather then computers on legs. But I can't help to think of the Matrix movies where the whole idea was that human brains are like computers. With that sort if thinking then you would think that TFs could do it too. But IMO this takes away for TF and they become nothing more then super robots.[/glow]
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Post by Steel on Mar 29, 2005 12:16:25 GMT -5
Well with humans you can mentaly train yourself... but you need the basic knowlage of your body physics and so on.
When I was doing stunt work we would go over the whole thing in our heads sevoral times, trying to memorise every motion before actualy doing it.
It helps with the final exicution... but naturaly you need a body able too do those things. You cant just imagin you can do the splits and then try it without damaging yourself.
I have always seen TFs as more learning robots. Basicly as close to "Human" as you can get personality and brainwise.
I figure downloads would be a posibility but I woulnd't try too includ it as in my figering if you can download that sort of stuff with that amount of ease then it would be ridiculusly easy to change their personalitys, factions and skills.
I go by the super lame non scientific spark thing where that is the actual character and his momorys, skills and so on.
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Post by latyrx7 on Mar 29, 2005 12:30:35 GMT -5
[glow=blue,2,000]Makes sence about the spark holding everything they are. And the whole downloading thing where their brains are concerned. I'd write it as there is some sort of firewall or even something say in the spark, that prevents such download to be a common thing, and leave as a mystery TF scientists have yet to uncover. [/glow]
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Post by Steel on Mar 29, 2005 12:45:46 GMT -5
Yeah I think if we went down that line then they would have LOADS of security and firewalls in their noggin too stop viruses and so on
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Post by Hoist on Apr 3, 2005 11:49:37 GMT -5
I believe totally it's all down to training. From gladitorial pits to Training seen in cartoons and comics, it's been a consistant source in TF history. Even down to Gesault combing, powelinking and so on and so forth.
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Post by autobotsdie on Apr 3, 2005 16:18:24 GMT -5
I think most of it can be programmed into them too.
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Post by latyrx7 on Apr 4, 2005 23:09:07 GMT -5
[glow=blue,2,000]See thats the thing, their robots so you would think that would make them programable as there just computers with a body. However TFs are more like living beings that grow and learn from experience, and of course have emotions and souls aka sparks.
Now, I can see how the odd story here and there would have a TF reprogramed and all, but why not all the time? Thats where some sort of defense comes in or a reason why its not that easy.
In my Fallen Angel fanfic I'm sort of touching on that just with my point of view though.[/glow]
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Post by Steel on Apr 5, 2005 2:48:44 GMT -5
Well I've been thinking about this and there are two sides too it. For example just beacse your brain can do something dosn't mean your body can. So you could download a fighter program but it dosn't nessisarily mean you would be able to fight too its full potentiol with your body.
I know a blackbelt who got his ass whooped by some random guy on the street. Now in theory he had the greater knowlage of what too do but he froze up and panicked and there for got a kicking.
So you could say TFs are like that... but then how do you get martial artests like Bludgeon.. I mean clearly there are greater physical spesimins in teh TF race but he is often considered one of the best fighters. Would seem silly if you could just plug yourself in and download his abilitys.
But the way I see it is that TFs are far more advanced than their own technology. There for they cant work out the proper programming too download thise sort of skills into their brain as they havn't worked out how too hack through all the firewalls and stuff.
I go with the Created by Primus aproch each time... which would mean sparks exist so you can have that "Its too complicated" get out of jail free card as you need Primus too create a spark or Vector Sigma, The Oricle or whatever.
So you may know the basics as a new TF but have too train in a speciality.
Otherwise its just the faction with the brainiest boffins who would win the war as they could create the greatest fighting programs.
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Post by latyrx7 on Apr 5, 2005 8:22:13 GMT -5
So you could download a fighter program but it dosn't nessisarily mean you would be able to fight too its full potentiol with your body. [glow=blue,2,000]Makes sence, thats a good way of looking at it. Plus I see great comedy potential. [/glow]
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Post by autobotsdie on Apr 5, 2005 17:34:30 GMT -5
If you remember First Aid said the was a medic and not a fighter but he would fight if forced to. He was programed to fix things but learned how to fight at the same time against his will.
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Post by Steel on Apr 6, 2005 4:18:08 GMT -5
I dont know if he was forced too do it against his will... well not unless he said he was.
I would just have taken it as Basic Autobot training would intail fighting. After all he needs too defend himself. I doubt there would be an autobot out there who would be alowd too become one without having to train in some figting techniques.
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Post by autobotsdie on May 1, 2005 0:24:39 GMT -5
I still say they can be downloaded(reprogramed) into anything. Look at the Constructicons. They were Decepticons that were were friends with Omega Supreme, an Autobot, and built stuff before Megatron got ahold of them and downloaded(reprogramed) them into warriors. Also look at the Autobot leaders. Whenever one of them passed away and they passed the matrix to someone else part of them downloaded into the matrix so that there wisdom and knowledge could be passed on to the next leader.
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Post by latyrx7 on May 1, 2005 8:42:48 GMT -5
[glow=blue,2,000]The part about the Constructicons is, that only with the robot Megatron could robots be reprogrammed, until it was destroyed. And if it was still so easy to reprogram TFs then Megs would have built another robot to reprogram them. So why didn't he after that one was destroyed? Besides its the cartoon show as well, they always just threw things in weather or not it made sence and without thinking much about it.
And if a autobot leader did use wisdom from the Matrix, thats not being reprogrammed. I guess you could there wisdom or spark downloading in to the matrix when the die....[/glow]
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