I think a Trailbreaker vs. Skywarp fight could be interesting, with Trailbreaker's force-fields and Skywarp's teleportation making for interesting combat situations...
I think it that fight would come to a stand still.
Skywarp, like Starscream, is deadly in the air. But Trailbreaker's forcefield could stand up to I think, any attacks from Skywarp. Skywarp would some how have to strike without warning and when the shield is down.
But after reading Trailbreaker's tech spec, there isn't much that his shield can't stand up against and nothing about it's power resources. Mind you, TB isn't very fuel efficient at all.
Skywarp is suppose to be fairly unintelligent and needs guidance to be a effective warrior. And TB is a defense strategist. SW teleporting ability isn't as good over far distances, so sneaking up on TB might not be as easy as it would on an Autobot who isn't TB.
But if SW did get beyond that forcefield, he's equal in strength to TB and has more firepower. TB has an endurance of 10 but that could be because of his forcefield.
We can't rely on tech spec for everything. Got to remember they write those for kids, and so they try and make every character powerful to sell toys.
Then why are you relying on the cartoon?
At least the tech spec gives you better sense of measurement. While they have their own share of mistakes and sometimes lack information, its better then the shows flying Autobots then losing that power after MTMTE then regaining it from time to time.
If you watch the Bob Budiansky interviews on the G1 cartoon DVDs, actually did a lot of research and has a science degree, can't remember what at this moment. But those tech specs are far more technical then what we are getting today. What were getting today is a far more dumb down version.
This is why I like using the tech spec. If you go by other sources that can't give you a serious attempt of accuracy, then you fall into this area where anything goes. And you get stories where Trailbreaker can beat up Grimlock, as in the Dreamwaves series. It becomes no better and has the same legitimacy as a fanfic.
Back in the day, at the RPG forum where me and Hoist met, they replied strictly on those tech specs and the Marvel/UK comic as referrence. Those tech specs have a lot of technical information so I can see why that old RPG forum used them. Marvel is known for trying to ground its character in reality, or at least they use the current paradigm of reality of the times they live in.
Now that said, let me say that when the Dinobots went against Megatron or Shockwave in the comics, I never thought it was totally right that the Decepticon leaders would deal with the Dinobots so decisively. I can understand though that having the Dinobot win would make Megatron and Shockwave a less of the threat and wouldn't sell them as being a powerful menace, and then you would just have to send in the Dinobots, ala show, but the comic did take liberties during its run as well.
Well, I'm just saying every bit of fiction needs be concidered to make a really rounded out character. Like, if we looked at Optimus Primals Tech Spec but ignored the show, you'd be talking about a different character entirely. His tech spec made him out as a King Kong sized gorilla (and quite possibly a reformatted Optimus Prime as apposed to a new character, but that's debatable). I'm just saying, I've read an interview with one of the tech spec guys, and he talks about how they have to make the tech spec to sell toys, because kids don't want a weak character, that why you rarely see a character that doesn't at least have several 8's and at least one10.
In some comic materials, Trailbreakers force field work like the Enterprise's shields, where once it take so much damage it is done. Not saying that it wouldn't take Skywarp a long time to do so (he used the shield to repel many Decepticons not just one) but I'm not a fan of the invincible hero (which often times Tech Specs paint).
I know nothing about the Beast War tech specs, but I know that in the G1 tech specs, they rarely have invincible character rather then more then often. Megatron and Grimlock have next to no weakness and a couple of Decepticons. Then you have your leader type characters where their stats are boasted high but usual the other teams mates are quite low in other areas. And like I said, the tech specs have made mistakes from going on the wrong toy to unbelievable stats. Like Hot Rod's tech spec compared to Rodimus Prime to Targetmaster Hot Rod. A complete mess.
I don't think you can really consider very series or fiction to determine how a fight would come out. Then you'd be adding and adding powers on top of powers. You could of course, compare which character is stronger in which series, like which Optimus Prime is stronger, the comic or the show. But of course, the show had Otpimus not being able to transform very well after a bomb blast and a fall down a slope, and then falling many miles to the earth and getting up with a bad shoulder (MTMTE part3). So any comparison isn't accurate.
My point is the tech specs, at least the G1 tech specs, are grounded in a reality and can be referred to. Rather then a TV show that ignored the tech specs and the write up that Marvel provided (see the Jim Shooter interview) and even ignored it's self from episode to episode.
Hoist: Hmm, I'm guessing nothing to do with Beast Wars or Armada, so either a sequel based in or around the first renegade rp trilogy or War For Cybertron? I'm guessing War For Cybertron!
Aug 25, 2021 11:58:46 GMT -5