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Post by Thundercat on Sept 11, 2021 5:03:11 GMT -5
Just was curious in the moment, so wanted to post this.
Probably been discussed a million times by now, but what if the G1 cartoon was rebooted following the same story aspects as the popular IDW 2005-2019 iteration of G1? I feel like this could almost be like another Transformers Prime styled series with the more dark and grittiness they tried for in the recent War for Cybertron series. Granted it would be nice to see something not totally influenced by G1 of course for once, but I feel like this could be a decent series on its own if it followed the comics. Kind of really bring it to life. More so in a way that isn’t the Power of the Primes web series at least…
Anyone else ever thought of this?
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Post by Hoist on Sept 11, 2021 7:04:48 GMT -5
First off, great topic. For sure it's been thought of before and I've probably thought about it myself (I know I have because of my ye old workshop forum), but still; it's still a great topic to speculate over. Some of the mosst sucessful TV shows have been gritty and dark (Breaking bad, game of thrones - despite the last season, Netflix's DARK) so this could work well in a modern enviroment and in the form of an IDW comic where you could get away with much more. Imagine the more modern vehicles you could have them transform into! You could still keep it faithful, just latest models, maybe do make Megatron a tank right from the get go this time? Look at these peterbuilds: Let alone the porches for Jazz. You could really explore life, death and loss.Let alone interactions with humans - or just keep it on Cybertron? I've still yet to read all of the vast amounts of IDW comics I've just bought, but speculation and exploring a fresh look at a reboot via comics would always be interesting.
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Post by Jazzman Crothers on Sept 11, 2021 9:03:46 GMT -5
IMO, no matter what direction a reboot takes I think you have to go through the original and use what makes sense and take out what doesn't. I have no idea how IDW went about with there reboot but I feel they decided to do their own thing and I think much of it works because their take on G1 was reasonable.
This is a great topic and I'll get back to it when I have more time. I have ideas buzzing in my head about the idea of a G1 reboot.
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Post by Thundercat on Sept 11, 2021 10:33:58 GMT -5
Oh absolutely they won’t use everything, but I still think it would be cool to see some of what they can take and bring it to life. Or make it like one of the animated graphic novels that seem to be gaining traction. They have done it numerous times with Marvel, such as with Black Panther and the Astonishing X-Men comics. Get the right voices and all, think it could work.
And as you said Hoist, it would fit into the dark and gritty that seems all the rage and norm nowadays. Honestly, I probably would prefer even an animated graphic novel over some live action anymore. Bumblebee was probably the best attempt they’ve done to date.
Plus, I would love to see the ideas you two could come up with. Don’t have as much time on my end anymore soon either, but I know IDW has definitely gotten me thinking of ideas for stories down the line.
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Post by Jazzman Crothers on Sept 12, 2021 14:34:13 GMT -5
In terms of the G1 show being rebooted into something gritty, that could work. But must admit I disliked the new WFC show and found it more emo then gritty and quite boring.
If a G1 reboot took a more serious direction like the animated Clone Wars show, I'd be up for that. That show switched between many characters and had a long story arch which included my solo adventures along the way.
I've been watching The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes with my daughter. It's lighter then TFWFC and TCW and lots of fun. What's cool about it is the first few episodes are influenced by the original Avengers comics. They start off with the original Avengers line up, Iron Man, Thor, Hulk, Wasp and Ant Man. Hulk quits the team like an issue later and come the 3rd issue they find Captain America in ice. Iron Man is the team leader at first and then Captain America takes over. I like that they used the original story as I'm sure kids today had no idea who was in the original line up.
For me, a G1 show reboot would have to simply address a few things that made no sense. They would have to fix a few errors, like Megatron's origin, the Construction origin, readdress the Dinobots and why we never seen or heard about the Matrix until the 86 movie. And is it the Matrix of leadership or creation.
For me, the issue of the Cybertronian war lasting for 9 million years would need to be fixed. How anyone would be left after that much fighting is beyond me. Plus that means Cybertronians suck at warfare!
The Ark crashing into Earth and being lost for 4 million years would have to change too. I don't see how the Ark would survive the crash as well as it did. And it's passengers. Plus that would mean the Autobots and Deceptions would be 4 million years behind on technology. When they returned to Cybertron they would be so behind! Plus, how did the Autobots walk around on the Ark when it was stuck in the side of a volcano on an angle?
The idea that they went in search for energy would need to be address, I think. I suppose it could still work but they wouldn't need to send the Ark on a mission like that with Optimus Prime in charge. More like scout ships or drones could do that. Or even long range satellites could have discovered Earth, and they left Cybertron without knowledge of Earth existing.
And how did the Deceptions build a base underwater? Hmmmmmmmm?
Also, one thing I'd like to see is instead of the Autobots trying to stop one of Megatron's plans, I like to see them squaring off against an assortment of villains. Like one week the Insecticons, next the Stunticons, then Trypticon. I'd rather see the Deception forces scattered about, acting independently on their own.
Thought of another thing to fix! How the Autobots traveled. When ever there was an emergency we see them driving to it. Something they used Skyfire but there were times that didn't have him. They need their own aerial transports!
One more thing, it has to take place in the 80s again!!
Here's another one, what if like the new Master of the Universe show, it picks up where it left off from season 2 to the movie?
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Post by Hoist on Sept 13, 2021 20:40:43 GMT -5
Thought of another thing to fix! How the Autobots traveled. When ever there was an emergency we see them driving to it. Something they used Skyfire but there were times that didn't have him. They need their own aerial transports! One more thing, it has to take place in the 80s again!! Here's another one, what if like the new Master of the Universe show, it picks up where it left off from season 2 to the movie? There weren't nearly enough ariel bots to Transport them! Literally just Sky Lynx for local stuff and Omega Supreme for back to Cybertron and back. It'd also be nice to make Omega more than just a transport. I like the idea of from season 2 to the movie. The movie just introduces us to a whole load of new characters (Obviously just for seling toys) but ones like Kup is supposed to be a wily old veteran (You get the feeling he's old like Ironhide) so wouldn't we have seen him before the movie? The trouble with a regulated formulatic show is you never see things like The Wreckers either or anything interesting due to it being kid safe. (Not throwing shade but if we're talking about rebooting, let's throw these things in from time to time!)
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Post by Jazzman Crothers on Sept 14, 2021 9:15:32 GMT -5
Characters like Kup and the Wreckers would be such a good idea when seeing Cybertron. In fact the show could switch between both settings from time to time.
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Post by Hoist on Sept 14, 2021 12:44:02 GMT -5
(This has the makings of a serious interactive story!)
Another thing is characters couldn't just show up like they did in the show with no reason how they got there. Spacebridge is one option, but then much like the underwater Decepticon base, you need to think how they would construct such a thing with limited Earth resources in the first place.
With scouting Earth first, maybe the Dynobots? An advanced lightning defense team who find Earth at that time in it's primative, jurrassic state hence morce abundant in natural anergy and resources. but a Decepticon scouting team (maybe follows them) and they never make it back, having to adapt to earth's energy levels they have to take the forms of the local dinosaurs. (You could tie in comic with show there and still have them dinosaur modes before getting trapped in tar and being re-wakened later in the 1980s). Would make more logical sense.
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Post by Thundercat on Sept 15, 2021 19:08:35 GMT -5
Sorry you two, started my new job this week and absolutely exhausted the past few days.
But, I think dark and gritty or a setting like Earth’s Mightiest Heroes (great show honestly!) would really work either way. Just at least definitely with more explanations to character appearances and I have to agree something other than low energy. They probably could tackle something like the concern for corruption and functionism in a way that is still kid friendly. Like I said, maybe something more along the lines of Prime, kind of dark but still could work for kids. Though lot of the reason Rescue Bots became a thing to better combat the concern of being too dark as well.
For me, if there was a reboot I think the biggest concerns for me would be more motivation for war other than an energy crisis, origins of major lore and characters, and just how everything is timed. Have to agree, if it’s been 9 million years both sides would pretty much have exhausted a lot of their forces by then.
Also this would indeed make for a great story! Our own Avengers show. XD
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Post by Hoist on Oct 10, 2021 6:32:34 GMT -5
Well I've ended up doing a bit of re-telling free-writing in my own free time, just for fun.
Let's talk about the energy crisis/leaving Cybertron though..
Would there really be en energon crisis? How/why would there be? What other reason could they have to leave? Harking back to the comics/cartoon - I get it. War takes it toll and Ernergon it not not just their life bloof but refined fuels their weapons, buildings, pwers the planet etc etc and the effects of war would take it's toll on that. Any iondustrialmanufacturing plants would've been hit or destroyed during the war but here's the thing.
If Primus is the life-source of the planet, the core then surely that well would never run dry as long as Primus is omni-present still. Primus did shape Cybertron after all so I just can't see energy running out, processing plants for it yes. Maybe the Autobots just wanted to split their forces?
Any ideas?
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Post by Jazzman Crothers on Oct 11, 2021 13:11:47 GMT -5
That's a good point. And considering energon could be made by other energy sources, Cybertronians could have make solar panels and some other energy making machine.
One reason the Autobots could of left is if they were exiled from the planet. Megatron banishes them forever type of thing.
Or Alpha Trion actually escapes with the original 18 Autobots and remakes them on Earth to later challenge the Deceptions. Megatron gets wind of this and goes after them on their new home.
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Post by Hoist on Oct 11, 2021 13:42:33 GMT -5
I like the exhile thing to be honest.
If it starts off with the Decepticons being the dominant force on Cybertron and the Autobots being the underdogs, for them off the planet into exile sounds like a good idea. Maybe Megatron threatens to destroy the whole of Cybertron in it's wake and although the Autobots can fight back, they are jusat too under-powered and casualty hit to be effective. Maybe they are in search of a new home, but the Decepticons aren't happy with just exhiling them, but escorting them off the planet and trying to make sure they are permanently put offline?..
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