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Post by Jazzman Crothers on Oct 31, 2012 7:58:21 GMT -5
Well, I'm all sure you have heard the news.
Disney has bought Star Wars.
And episode 7 is planned for 2015.
While I doubt we'll see the likes of Luke, Leia and Han, we could see characters from the books.
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Post by Onix Solo on Oct 31, 2012 13:53:24 GMT -5
Disney's possession of Star Wars gives me no more confidence than Lucas controlling it.
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Post by Bomblast on Oct 31, 2012 15:18:17 GMT -5
I dunno, lots of people said that about Avengers when Disney bought the rights to Marvel movies, and that turned out really well.
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Post by Onix Solo on Oct 31, 2012 16:16:12 GMT -5
I dunno, lots of people said that about Avengers when Disney bought the rights to Marvel movies, and that turned out really well. But I don't feel Disney really had anything to do with that. The Marvel movies were already on the right tracks before Disney's purchase, not just after. Star Wars, on the other hand, has been on the wrong track for a long time now.
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Post by Hoist on Nov 1, 2012 1:18:18 GMT -5
Disney's possession of Star Wars gives me no more confidence than Lucas controlling it. Me too and who knows they might be half decent. I don't think we'll see the likes of Luke, han or Leia again. Not just because they're too old now (Which I agree with), but for me, I personally feel it's just been too much time. Harrison Ford will never have any involvement again, doubtful with Carrie Fisher as she's a successful writer and has been for a gazillion years. At best is a cameo from Mark Hamill. Maybe this is a good thing as well, a fresh start. They could well use plenty of characters from the books, Jade Mara(?), Admiral Thrawn, even Luke or Leia's kids. (Who could be young adults now.) I'd welcome any of them. There's endless possibility because of the books.
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Post by Bomblast on Nov 1, 2012 16:22:30 GMT -5
I'd like to see at least one film about Kyle Katarn. If Disney manage to completely mess up a Star Wars movie, nothing will protect them from the wrath of the internet.
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Post by Jazzman Crothers on Nov 3, 2012 17:23:58 GMT -5
Marvel movies were hit and miss at best. The good ones like X-Men and the first Spider Man trilogy got worst with the each sequel. The best thing so far to happen to the Marvel movies was the influence of the 2nd Batman movie, The Dark Knight.
Personal I think this buy is a good thing since the new SW movies will be out of Lucas' hands. In terms of story and direction. As for who is responsible for the production of the next trilogy, I'll reserve judgment until then but I feel the new movies will be excellent.
One thing I think will happen is no cornball characters and less plot holes. Also theres no reason that the new movies need to be linked to the old movies in terms of characters of history, so no weird inconsistencies.
So long as they avoid any kind of Michael Bay or James Cameron type of movie makers, I'm happy. Hell even if they do away with the opening crawl I wouldn't care.
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Post by Bomblast on Nov 4, 2012 15:53:09 GMT -5
Marvel movies were hit and miss at best. The good ones like X-Men and the first Spider Man trilogy got worst with the each sequel. The best thing so far to happen to the Marvel movies was the influence of the 2nd Batman movie, The Dark Knight. So far the only Marvel movie done by Disney is Avengers, and lately all films that have spawned sequels, the sequel is usually inferior to the original. I have just had a thought though, the next Kingdom Hearts game is going to be pretty damn awesome.
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Post by Onix Solo on Nov 4, 2012 21:14:25 GMT -5
Marvel movies were hit and miss at best. The good ones like X-Men and the first Spider Man trilogy got worst with the each sequel. The best thing so far to happen to the Marvel movies was the influence of the 2nd Batman movie, The Dark Knight. So far the only Marvel movie done by Disney is Avengers, and lately all films that have spawned sequels, the sequel is usually inferior to the original. I have just had a thought though, the next Kingdom Hearts game is going to be pretty damn awesome. Ironman and Ironman 2 were excellent films. The Hulk, Captain America, and Thor weren't bad either, even if not theatrical gold.
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Post by Jazzman Crothers on Nov 5, 2012 9:53:19 GMT -5
Iron Man 1 was awesome. Iron Man 2 was ok. The best of the second movie does not compare to the first movie and the bad parts just drag the movie down.
Captain America was good.
Thor sucked. And I like Thor as a character and I like the actor they have. The movie was crap.
The first Hulk movie, I liked but I can see how ppl don't like it and it had parts it didn't need. The 2nd movie was good but not great.
Avengers is the best super hero movie ever made along side The Dark Knight.
The new Spider-Man movie is awesome. I put it up their with Iron Man but instead of the humour we instead got emotions. Its far better then the campy first Spider-Man trilogy, no cheese, better acting and high on the action.
The Ghost Rider movies, blah!
X-Men originals. The last one was good, the only problem is like all X-Men movies, they feel like X-Men movies. The direction and acting isn't right and feels too stiff. I feel like most of the characters are just actors in make up. Except for Nightcrawler, I really felt NC was NC. The Wolverine movie was crap.
Fantastic Four, blah! I liked the Thing but over all, blah!
Daredevil and Elektra weren't anything special. I haven't seen the last Punisher but based on the last one I don't want to.
Then Blade. The 1st was ok, the 2nd was awesome and the 3rd was a huge let down.
My point is Marvels have come along way from the likes of the original Captain America, Fantastic Four and even Howard the Duck but they are still hit and miss. And much of what was a hit years ago hasn't stood the test of time. And while the movies are doing well now, they haven't had a solid year where each superhero movie released is a good quality movie. At best they are batting 2 out of 3 a year.
So I'm liking that Disney now has SW. They have allowed movie making companies to do they're thing for better or for worst. And I feel we won't see ep 7 with a Disney feel since Disney has been recently making movies they wouldn't have in the past.
I won't form an opinion on what the new trilogy will be like until they get a director or directors for the new movies. And personally I hope they change stuff up, SW needs new life and needs to be made for the next generation. And even if all this doesn't work out, as long as SW is out of Lucas' hands. The man is magic with all the technical details of movie making but he can't write or direct as well as his success may have you think.
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Post by Onix Solo on Nov 5, 2012 11:20:50 GMT -5
Iron Man 1 was awesome. Iron Man 2 was ok. The best of the second movie does not compare to the first movie and the bad parts just drag the movie down. Gotta disagree there. Ironman suffered from the same thing all super hero movies suffer from when they are doing their first movies, back story syndrome. A good 2/3 of the movie is spent establishing their powers, motives, ambitions, and then they hurriedly set up a bad guy in the last 30-40 minutes of the movie and the final battle happens as fast as it came about. Ironman 2, however, and a ton of great moments where Ironman was being a bad arse, and bad guys were being bad guys. Only parts I felt made the movie suffer a tad was the Avengers set up, but by doing that, they saved time setting up in the actual Avengers movie besides assembling the heroes together. Anyways, tangent aside, the point was, Ironman 1-2, The Incredible Hulk, captain America, and (possibly) Thor (admittedly the weakest), all created before the Disney buyout, the only thing that happened under Disney's new management of Marvel was The Avengers. The first 5 movies were already doing great things for the genre, and the success of the Avengers isn't exactly Disney's doing. I'm very pessimistic about the whole thing, given that George Lucas is still playing a role, even if it is simple as a creative consultant. IMO, there is nothing to consult Lucas about that you couldn't consult a 4 year old about, as they'd probably make equally horrible decisions. Time will tell, but it has been a very, very long time since I've considered Star Wars anything but bad. We will see how they pull it off I guess.
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Post by Jazzman Crothers on Nov 5, 2012 11:59:02 GMT -5
And I disagree with your points. Iron Man 1 was great because there was so many unexpected turns and twists. Tony never stopped being Tony with the huge ego, the laughs came out around the corner and hit you. The second one dragged and never hit any new high points. Tony still had his ego but he was kind of boring as we knew what to expect and the scenes where he's trying to be cool weren't funny, exciting or anything new.
And my point isn't that the new SW will be great because Disney has it now. My point is Lucas isn't in charge so it has a better chance of being great. Avengers is great because they had the right director. I've always told my friends, let Lucas think of the idea but give it to someone else. Thats why Indiana Jones isn't Indiana Smith because Spielberg was in the picture and of course the first 3 Indiana movies are classic gems. Same thing with the Empire Strikes Back. Lucas wasn't directing and the director and the actors gave their input to parts of the script.
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Post by Onix Solo on Nov 5, 2012 14:55:57 GMT -5
And my point isn't that the new SW will be great because Disney has it now. My point is Lucas isn't in charge so it has a better chance of being great. Avengers is great because they had the right director. I've always told my friends, let Lucas think of the idea but give it to someone else. Thats why Indiana Jones isn't Indiana Smith because Spielberg was in the picture and of course the first 3 Indiana movies are classic gems. Same thing with the Empire Strikes Back. Lucas wasn't directing and the director and the actors gave their input to parts of the script. I hope, for the sake of the franchise, that this indeed does happen. Star Wars was always a cool premiss, but it needs a make over and parts of it need to be forgotten entirely. And it needs to do away with the stock cut away that comes packaged in every standard video editor.
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Post by Jazzman Crothers on Nov 5, 2012 15:29:18 GMT -5
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Post by Onix Solo on Nov 5, 2012 16:03:01 GMT -5
I think about half way through the list, they just started listing directors they could name, and not masters of the arts of sci-fi, but a few of them are intriguing. I liked Firefly (Serenity, however, wasn't good at all), and Avengers was a smash hit, but I feel like Joss Whedon has missed more than he has hit. He has a cult following, but that's just it, a cult following. Plus, I couldn't sit through 3 movies of killing of the character everyone likes just to be edgy. J.J. Abrams is one I can see definitely in the running. He has his sci-fi down, and Star Trek showed how big he can take a space epic like Star Wars. Plus, it would be hilarious to have him pulling on the strings of both Star Trek and Star Wars given the history between the fan bases. I could maybe see Peter Jackson, but he's not really shown what his hand at sci-fi would be like. I love the way he has brought the fantasy world of Middle earth to life in the LotR movies, which are some of my favorite movies ever. His most sci-fi filled movie was District 9, which IMO was mediocre. Other than that, I don't see many of them being the ideal match. Christopher Noland seems to like his sc-fi much more down to earth, and has never done anything along the lines of a space epic like Star Wars. The guy behind Iron Man might work, might not.
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