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Post by heavyassault on May 29, 2004 11:44:44 GMT -5
"He even killed Optimus Prime." Sorry Auotbotsdie....Megatron didnt kill Prime.......Once one is dead they stay dead.There is no return from death.......Prime came back! Thats like saying Megs killed Starscream...He didnt!
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Post by autobotsdie on May 29, 2004 19:24:33 GMT -5
Ok then why did the Quintison have to bring Optimus back to life.
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Post by heavyassault on May 29, 2004 21:37:08 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300]What is back to life when you are a machine? Could it be that the Quintison may have understood Cybertron technology better?What is death to them? Think about it............Iam. [/glow]
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Post by autobotsdie on May 30, 2004 0:32:35 GMT -5
Ok lets put it this way lets say you buy a junker of a car that has seen better days and has not run in 30 years. You restore it to what it looks like back in the day is was supposed to look and rebuild the engine. Would that be like giving life to a machine that has been dead for 30 years? Now isn't that what the Quintison did to Optimus? Restore him to what he looked like before he died.
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Post by heavyassault on May 30, 2004 9:49:34 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300].......................But Prime wasnt restored........he was modified.........Did Primes spark die? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. My head hurts! [/glow]
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Post by autobotsdie on May 30, 2004 13:43:02 GMT -5
Remember Prime said: "Do not grieve. Soon I shall be one with the matrix." So we have to assume that his spark was connected to the matrix. When he passed the matrix he died right after that. When he was brought back to life we assume the Quintisson had to somehow bypass the part when Prime needed the matrix to survive until he could get it back from Rodimus. Now you might say why didn't Rodimus die when Optimus got the matrix from him. The answer is Rodimus just reverted back to Hot Rod since Hot Rod wasn't killed. Another thing you might say is why didn't Optimus revert back to Orion Pax When he died. The answer is Orion Pax was killed by Megatron and Alpha Trion rebuilt him and gave him a new body and a new name.
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Post by X-BOT on May 30, 2004 14:34:38 GMT -5
Or you can also say that since Prime died he never was one with the MATRIX, therefore he did not need the MATIX to bypa$$ anything...HUH?.....OK what I mean is Prime never died Megatron got Reconstructive Surgery and Starscream was made to ashes
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Post by latyrx7 on May 31, 2004 10:26:58 GMT -5
[glow=blue,2,000]Well in one episode of the show you see Optimus Prime's Ghost come out the Matrix, so based on that, you can say he was in the Matrix. As for sparks and all, well thats an transformers soul and all, memories, personality as well I think. But remember there were no talk of sparks until BWs so the whole Prime dieing in the movie/show is an odd topic. That and the past crediblity of TF in general. Can sparks be destroyed?[/glow]
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Post by heavyassault on May 31, 2004 10:30:42 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300]Yeah the spark thing.........Well thats why we a debating......... [/glow]
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Post by latyrx7 on May 31, 2004 10:37:49 GMT -5
[glow=blue,2,000]Well, its a weird thing then. I suppose killing Optimus is simply really hard to do being a Matrix bearer. And then we have Starscream's ghost. And HA is right about killing a machine, in this case a TF, there's a fine line. But I think AD is right, Prime was killed. So in a way you both are right and have valid points.[/glow]
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Post by heavyassault on May 31, 2004 10:48:38 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300]Yeah I too see the validness in what AD has said.Yet...........To get a clear cut answer we must continue........ With the help of headache medicine. Yes L-Dawd sparks can be destoryed.....Even a X-Spark.......Rampage from BW! [/glow]
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Post by latyrx7 on May 31, 2004 10:58:49 GMT -5
[glow=blue,2,000]I see. Then what happens when that spark goes in to a new body? Is it the same person? Or is there a reformating that happens like Megs to Galvy and Armada's Somkescreen to Hoist?[/glow]
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Post by heavyassault on May 31, 2004 11:11:29 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300]Thats where things get funked up again........Take BW Prime.......His first body was destoryed then he got a TM body.......Same bot. Man this is deep! Uhhhhhhhhhh. Again when Starscream took over Waspinator he was Starscream......... Then theres the whole Vehicon Generals.They where Maximals.Reprogrammed sparks?Or did the minds get wiped? Thing that make you go hmmmmmmmmmmmm!?[/glow]
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Post by latyrx7 on May 31, 2004 16:44:27 GMT -5
[glow=blue,2,000]But.... the screamer thing.... he took over the body and its mind, he wouldn't be Waspernator..... [/glow]
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Post by autobotsdie on Jun 12, 2004 2:19:54 GMT -5
Ok when Starscream took over Waspinator he took over his mind and body but when he took over Scourge he could only control his body but not his mind. Is it because Scourges mind was stronger that Waspinators? Who knows? But Startscream did do the same thing to Trypticon and Blitzwing in taking over his mind and body. Maybe its because Trypticon, Blitzwing and Waspinator were stupid and thats why Starscream had no trouble taking over them?
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