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Post by Hoist on Aug 16, 2011 17:11:42 GMT -5
In today's 4 for 4 we ask: "If Beast Wars Megatron had succeeded in killing Optimus Prime from Generation 1 whilst they were still in stasis aboard the ark, wouldn't they [Predacons] have created a paradox?"
Think about it, if Beast Wars was set 300 - 400 years after the end of G1 and they were the great ancestors, then by arbitrarily taking out those ancestors not only would they change history, but wouldn't they wipe themselves out being relatives? I suppose you could argue they'd still be Cybertrons - bots and cons on Cybertron. Okay I', answering my own question here...
So what shape would the history take on Cybertron if the G1 crew had been wiped out? Thoughts. ideas/possible scenarios?
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Post by Onix Solo on Aug 16, 2011 17:18:06 GMT -5
Well, BW Megatron only had one agenda. Give the Predacons the edge over the Maximals. Plain and simple. It is why he stole the Golden Disk to begin with. He wanted to get the energon required to return to Cybetron its conqueror and make the Predacons what the Decepticons never managed to achieve.
This goal extended entirely beyond just his own existence, but to achieving victory and glory for all of his ancestors. In killing Opitmus Prime, he may have ceased to have existed as well as the Maximals, but it achieved the same victory that he set out to achieve in the first place. Bad guys win, you loose.
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Post by Jazzman Crothers on Aug 17, 2011 0:36:32 GMT -5
Megatron would of created a paradox. There would be a new time line, that he would be living in but the old one would of existed at some point. So he wouldn't fade away when he changed it, cause then he wouldn't of been there in the first place if he did. The time that Megatron came from would exist in his past. To get there, you'd have to cross out of the dimension you were currently in and travel backwards in time.
I have watched waaaaay too much Doctor Who!
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Post by alphaprime1 on Aug 17, 2011 2:53:25 GMT -5
... what Jazz said...
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Post by Jazzman Crothers on Aug 17, 2011 11:01:08 GMT -5
To get there, you'd have to cross out of the dimension you were currently in and travel backwards in time. Sorry, I have to correct myself here. Yes you have to cross dimensions but you don't actually travel 'backwards'. You actually leap or jump to a certain time in history rather then reversing the timeline.
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Post by Hoist on Sept 5, 2011 6:41:30 GMT -5
Megatron would of created a paradox. There would be a new time line, that he would be living in but the old one would of existed at some point. So he wouldn't fade away when he changed it, cause then he wouldn't of been there in the first place if he did. The time that Megatron came from would exist in his past. To get there, you'd have to cross out of the dimension you were currently in and travel backwards in time. I have watched waaaaay too much Doctor Who! Wibbly-wobbly, timey whimey! (me too) To get there, you'd have to cross out of the dimension you were currently in and travel backwards in time. Sorry, I have to correct myself here. Yes you have to cross dimensions but you don't actually travel 'backwards'. You actually leap or jump to a certain time in history rather then reversing the time-line. So it'd be (if I can get my head around it). Crossing a dimension into a parallel time-line but not having gone back in time, right? So if Megatron succeeded the'd behing from a different area but hadn't travelled back into time, an alternate version, maybe not even Predacons and Maximals since they never descended from the original Autobots & Decepticons in this time-line because they wouldn't have gone to Earth?? (UGH head hurts already!)
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Post by Jazzman Crothers on Sept 5, 2011 12:47:13 GMT -5
You lost me with that last part. But the crossing in to a previous time period means one would pass through other dimensions. Dimensions are found by finding there frequency so to speak. Or you can find a gate way like a portal but in theory dimensions exist every where and are on different frequencies. So if you find your frequency of the dimension you exist in, you can then attempt to travel to another time period of that dimension. Once you do something that would alter the events of the future you came form in that time, you create a new dimension with its own frequency. Then you could return to the dimension you came from, the origin dimension or you could return to future of the newly altered dimension.
This is all theory of course. I actually researched all this time traveling stuff years ago for a rpg I did where time travel and dimension crossing was the theme. So once time travel is actually invented in the year 5000, all this stuff could be completely wrong. But it does help to explain time traveling and altering events.
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