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Post by Jazzman Crothers on Nov 23, 2015 14:42:59 GMT -5
Rumble and Frenzy. Whose red and whose blue?
This argument has made many a fanboy mad as hell! Maybe as bad as who Cyclonus was before he was Cyclonus! But thats a debate for another thread.
Vote!
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Post by Dai Atlas on Nov 23, 2015 22:16:46 GMT -5
I am gonna go with Rumble is red if we are talking the 80s Marvel comics and the G1 toy versions. At least I think that is how I remember it.
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Post by Onix Solo on Nov 23, 2015 23:00:21 GMT -5
The debate is a sad one. Basically, the argument is do you agree with the comics, toys, and story bible or do you agree with the errors made in the cartoon actual. Source material for the cartoon, and even cells in the cartoon, show Rumble as red and Frenzy as blue. They are that way in the comics, the toys, and the error was never even made in Japan in which RIRFIB is the only correct answer.
This argument would equate to everyone arguing if Optimus Prime's minicon in Armada was named Sparkplug or Leader-1. He calls him both throughout the course of the show, but it is an error on the studio who pushed Armada out to the sates in a hurry. Same with scenes in which Hot Shot sports a Decepticon symbol.
Personally, I watched through the entirety of G1 and never even caught which was which. I barely remember them, to be honest.
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Post by Jazzman Crothers on Nov 24, 2015 8:32:52 GMT -5
EDIT :: Do you mean like unused scripts or something?
I remember when it was brought up that with the show version of Rumble being cool it made the character better. I always thought that was a weak, opinionated way to look at it. Then someone brought up that when you look at the comic and the toy verses the show, its then 2 to 1. Also much later I came across an article where the production of the show basically did what they wanted to do and took some liberties, ignoring what Marvel came up with for the Transformers. So I throw in with RIRFIB.
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Post by Hoist on Nov 24, 2015 9:58:58 GMT -5
Rumble is blue, Frenzy is red of course!
I'm going to argue that although the true colors may be Rumble is red and Frenzy is blue, (Comics, toys) I don't think it should be denied that the wider audience of the cartoon is what made it more known and popular for my argument. Toy wise they were just "one of the cassettes", and only got so much character develpment in the comics, although I think Frenzy got more in the comics maybe.
Bottom line is, it should be whatever you want it to be, I hate it when people get anal and correct someone just because they don't like it. It's almost up there with the demented "Truk not munkey!".
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Post by Jazzman Crothers on Nov 24, 2015 11:18:09 GMT -5
I don't think I would consider it being anal if one was to point out the facts. I mean when you read up on how things came together then you see the reality of it. I think it would be anal to argue the point if Rumble was blue and Frenzy was red in the comic, show and toy but it was intended to be the other way and the mistake was made across the board. Like the Sideswipe and Sunstreaker mix up. At this point its been imbedded in our minds so deep that thinking the other way is hard and next to impossible. And while I see your point of how popularity affects how people see them, as I believe I have seen a blue Rumble in comics before the IDW run, I don't think popularity weights much against the source material and the intentions of who came up with it. And the source material, being comic, toys and the show, stands at 2 to 1.
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Post by Hoist on Nov 24, 2015 11:51:05 GMT -5
I don't think I would consider it being anal if one was to point out the facts. Not anal pointing out the facts, but more the way it's pointed out to other people. Hence the "Truk not munkey" reference. Completely disagree about popularity, the latter mat be source material but, what popularized this whole meme in the first place - the cartoon. The toys may have captured 80's children across the world but I'd argue it was the comics and cartoons that had the bigger impact because of them. Agree with me or not, the cartoon did popularize the familiarity of one being one color, one being the other more than comics and toys and inspired the whole argument in the first place. It may be 2 -1 with source material but I wage that 1 is equal to both the other two combined due to the huge popularity of the cartoon and animated movie.
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Post by Jazzman Crothers on Nov 24, 2015 12:40:03 GMT -5
But despite the popularity of the show not everything in the show has been taken as TF gospel. The origins of the TFs lean towards Primus now a days. The Matrix wasn't an actually object until the movie came out. So like I said, I don't think popularity weights much against other factors.
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Post by Onix Solo on Nov 24, 2015 14:31:57 GMT -5
EDIT :: Do you mean like unused scripts or something? In episode storyboards and concept art. tfwiki.net/wiki/FIRRIB
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Post by Jazzman Crothers on Nov 24, 2015 15:06:25 GMT -5
EDIT :: Do you mean like unused scripts or something? In episode storyboards and concept art. tfwiki.net/wiki/FIRRIBI like that list, very cool.
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Post by Hoist on Nov 24, 2015 15:24:44 GMT -5
But despite the popularity of the show not everything in the show has been taken as TF gospel. The origins of the TFs lean towards Primus now a days. The Matrix wasn't an actually object until the movie came out. So like I said, I don't think popularity weights much against other factors. True, but that sort of stuff is more the core structure something that was obviously never going to be a factor in am 80s serial kids show that doesn't really have to worry about those sort of things and back story. (Also see: Thundercats, He-man, Gobots etc etc) so in that instance I would go with the comics. Just like the Origins of Cybertron some fans prefer some things some others IE Primus soul into a barren asteroid or whether Quintessons created the Transformers - again I have a bit of this and a bit of that for my own personal preference.
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