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Post by autobotsdie on Jan 20, 2005 2:00:29 GMT -5
A blood red moon means that a vampire has taken there next victum.
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Post by DameJinx on Jan 20, 2005 10:03:31 GMT -5
actually... red on the moon... is a symbol of Blood... and it means that there is going to be a death...
that's according to the Llywellen's Witch almanac
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Post by X-BOT on Jan 20, 2005 10:47:23 GMT -5
If I see blood on the moon then Im running for my life! cause that's alot of blood!
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Post by autobotsdie on Jan 25, 2005 3:55:54 GMT -5
actually... red on the moon... is a symbol of Blood... and it means that there is going to be a death...
that's according to the Llywellen's Witch almanac I head that if there is blood red moon its supposed to represent death too. One story I heard is that if the moon turns red and you hear a banshee yelling from a distance then there will be a death in the family.
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Post by lust on Jan 25, 2005 10:39:13 GMT -5
actually... red on the moon... is a symbol of Blood... and it means that there is going to be a death...
that's according to the Llywellen's Witch almanac Okay then, if that were true, the moon would be blood red ALL day EVERY day because hundreds of people die each day. All over the world people are constantly dying.
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Post by DameJinx on Jan 25, 2005 10:55:59 GMT -5
it's just a myth you guys...
there is almost always a logical and scientific reason for almost everything... blood on the moon included... just like Percy said ;D... it just depends on what you choose to believe
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Post by shadex on Jan 25, 2005 11:02:11 GMT -5
actually the banshee is only in scottland and there is another
story about how on a full moon some people who are sensitive to the supernatrual (like shadex) can be turned into maniacs
allow me to show you (warning this is alot of reading)
The full moon has been linked to crime, suicide, mental illness, disasters, accidents, birthrates, fertility, and werewolves, among other things. Some people even buy and sell stocks according to phases of the moon, a method probably as successful as many others. Numerous studies have tried to find lunar effects. So far, the studies have failed to establish much of interest. Lunar effects that have been found have little or nothing to do with human behavior, e.g., the discovery of a slight effect of the moon on global temperature,* which in turn might have an effect on the growth of plants.
Ivan Kelly, James Rotton and Roger Culver (1996) examined over 100 studies on lunar effects and concluded that the studies have failed to show a reliable and significant correlation (i.e., one not likely due to chance) between the full moon, or any other phase of the moon, and each of the following:
-the homicide rate -traffic accidents -crisis calls to police or fire stations -domestic violence -births of babies -suicide -major disasters -casino payout rates -assassinations -kidnappings -aggression by professional hockey players -violence in prisons -psychiatric admissions [one study found admissions were lowest during a full moon] -agitated behavior by nursing home residents -assaults -gunshot wounds -stabbings -emergency room admissions [but see] -behavioral outbursts of psychologically challenged rural adults -lycanthropy -vampirism -alcoholism -sleep walking -epilepsy
If so many studies have failed to prove a significant correlation between the full moon and anything, why do so many people believe in these lunar myths? Kelly, Rotton, and Culver suspect four factors: media effects, folklore and tradition, misconceptions, and cognitive biases. A fifth factor should be considered, as well: communal reinforcement.
the media perpetuates lunar myths
Lunar myths are frequently presented in films and works of fiction. "With the constant media repetition of an association between the full moon and human behavior it is not surprising that such beliefs are widespread in the general public" (Kelly et al. 1996). Reporters also "favor those who claim that the full moon influences behavior." It wouldn't be much of a story if the moon was full and nothing happened, they note. Anecdotal evidence for lunar effects is not hard to find and reporters know that one good anecdote trumps ten scientific studies when it comes to reader interest, even though such evidence is unreliable for establishing significant correlations. Relying on personal experience ignores the possibility of self-deception and confirmation bias. Such evidence may be unreliable, but it is nonetheless persuasive.
folklore and tradition
Many lunar myths are rooted in folklore. For example, an ancient Assyrian/Babylonian fragment stated that "A woman is fertile according to the moon." Such notions have been turned into widespread misconceptions about fertility and birthrates. For example, Eugen Jonas, a Slovakian psychiatrist, was inspired by this bit of folklore to create a method of birth control and fertility largely rooted in astrological superstitions. The belief that there are more births during a full moon persists today among many educated people. Scientific studies, however, have failed to find any significant correlation between the full moon and number of births (Kelly and Martens 1994; Martens et al.1988 ). In 1991, Benski and Gerin reported that they had analyzed birthdays of 4,256 babies born in a clinic in France and "found them equally distributed throughout the synodic (phase) lunar cycle" (Kelly, et al. 1996: 19). In 1994, Italian researchers Periti and Biagiotti reported on their study of 7,842 spontaneous deliveries over a 5-year period at a clinic in Florence. They found "no relationship between moon phase and number of spontaneous deliveries" (ibid.).
Despite the fact that there is no evidence of a significant correlation between phases of the moon and fertility, some people not only maintain that there is, they have a "scientific" explanation for the non-existent correlation. According to "Angela" of AstraConceptions at fertilityrhythms.com (a site which, alas, has vanished into the ether,
...photic (light) signals sent by the lens and retina of the eyes are converted into hormone signals by the pineal gland. It is the pineal gland which signals the onset of puberty in humans and plays a part in the fertility rhythms of all species.
In animals which reproduce seasonally, it is the changing light patterns which trigger the fertility cycle. The gradual change in both the length of day and the changing angle of the sun in the sky (caused by earth's motion) is interpreted by the pineal gland as a signal to commence the fertility season.
Of course, humans do not reproduce seasonally. Our fertility cycles exhibit an obvious monthly rhythm. The light source which has a monthly periodicity is, of course, the Moon.
It is interesting to note that menstruation is actually a shedding process. Just as the average menstrual cycle is 28 days in length, the human body sheds a layer of skin approximately every 28 days.
Yes, that is very interesting to note--if you are interested in sympathetic magic and aren't bothered that approximations aren't equals. Angela continues:
...it is not only the changing day length but also the changing angular position of the sun which triggers this process; the pineal gland receives photic (light) impressions and converts these into hormonal messages which signal the onset of these cycles.
With humans the cycles of fertility (and shedding) are triggered by photic impressions as well. Yet our cycles have a monthly periodicity which is obviously synchronized with fluctuations of the lunar light.
Obviously. However, the light of the moon is a very minor source of light in most women's lives, and is no more likely than the moon's gravitational force to have a significant effect on a woman's ovulation. Furthermore, the average menstrual cycle is 28 days but varies from woman to woman and month to month, while the length of the lunar month is a consistent 29.53 days.* Some of us have noticed that these cycles are not identical. Furthermore, it would seem odd that natural selection would favor a method of reproduction for a species like ours that depended on the weather. Clouds are bound to be irregularly and frequently blocking moonlight, which would seem to hinder rather than enhance our species' chance for survival.
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Post by shadex on Jan 25, 2005 11:05:19 GMT -5
and..............
Some mythmakers believe that long ago women all bled in sync with the moon, but civilization and indoor electric lighting (or even the discovery of fire by primitive humans) have disturbed their rhythmic cycle. This theory may seem plausible until one remembers that there are quite a few other mammals on the planet that have not been affected by firelight or civilization's indoor lighting and whose cycles aren't in harmony with the moon. In short, given the large number of types of mammals on our planet, one would expect that by chance some species' estrus and menstrual cycles would harmonize with lunar cycles (e.g., the lemur). It is doubtful that there is anything of metaphysical significance in this.
What we do know is that there has been very little research on hormonal or neurochemical changes during lunar phases. James Rotton's search of the literature "failed to uncover any studies linking lunar cycles to substances that have been implicated as possible correlates of stress and aggression (e.g., serotonin, melatonin, epinephrine, norepinephrine, testosterone, cortisol, vasopressin [directly relevant to fluid content], growth hormone, pH, 17-OHCS, adrenocrotropic hormone [? adrenocorticotropic hormone?])" (Rotton 1997). One would think that this area would be well-studied, since hormones and neurochemicals are known to affect menstruation and behavior.
misconceptions
Misconceptions about such things as the moon's effect on tides have contributed to lunar mythology. Many people seem to think that since the moon affects the ocean's tides, it must be so powerful that it affects the human body as well. The lunar force is actually a very weak tidal force. A mother holding her child "will exert 12 million times as much tidal force on her child as the moon" (Kelly et al., 1996: 25). Astronomer George O. Abell claims that a mosquito would exert more gravitational pull on your arm than the moon would (Abell 1979). Despite these physical facts, there is still widespread belief that the moon can cause earthquakes.* It doesn't; nor does the sun, which exerts much less tidal force on the earth than the moon.
The fact that the human body is mostly water largely contributes to the notion that the moon should have a powerful effect on the human body and therefore an effect on behavior. It is claimed by many that the earth and the human body both are 80% water. This is false. Eighty percent of the surface of the earth is water. Furthermore, the moon only affects unbounded bodies of water, while the water in the human body is bounded.
ok there was a whole lot more but i didn't want to bore you
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Post by lust on Jan 25, 2005 14:23:10 GMT -5
Shadex, do me a favor please? next time instead of posting all that, just post the link to the site that you got your information from, okay? That's just too much.
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Post by X-BOT on Jan 25, 2005 18:38:47 GMT -5
lol, especially since you didn't even read it yourself! This thread is done anyway! L7 do your thing!!!
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Post by lust on Jan 25, 2005 21:39:07 GMT -5
That will be up for us to decide whether or not a thread is done with. As long as people have something to say on the topic it will stay open.
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Post by X-BOT on Jan 25, 2005 22:49:09 GMT -5
That will be up for us to decide whether or not a thread is done with. As long as people have something to say on the topic it will stay open. Up to us? Thanks for putting me back in my place I'll go cry in my room now!
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Post by latyrx7 on Jan 27, 2005 23:28:19 GMT -5
[glow=blue,2,000]Ummm, so is the darn thing made out of cheese?[/glow]
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Post by Aqualec on Jan 27, 2005 23:45:27 GMT -5
Up to us? Thanks for putting me back in my place I'll go cry in my room now! *gives megatron a tissue*
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Post by X-BOT on Jan 28, 2005 0:38:58 GMT -5
*gives megatron a tissue* * takes the tissue and lows his nose( really loud) * Thanks Epyon, you know just when you think your starting to fit in, BAM someone ( Lust ) slaps you upside the head with a backhand and puts you in your place.... And L7 I think The Moon is made of cheese, because some of the post overthere are really cheesy!
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